What Do You Think Of These “designer Hybrid” Dogs?
Do you believe the hype of “These Dogs are very popular and rising well ahead of purebred dogs”? Or do you think it is just a way of marketing puppies to unknowledgable people?
What about the claim that, “In breeding two different dogs you get a little of both to make one great new breed.” How can this be possible? Isn’t genetics a crap shoot at best? Isn’t it just as likely that the puppies will get a little bit of both and make one miserable dog?
What do you think?
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Genetics IS a crap shoot. In a single mix litter pups can get the best traits or the worst or a combo from each parent. They are not standardized. Differences in size, coat, temperament show up in the same litters. Health wise they can have hybrid vigor OR be a total potshot of combined faults and defects from both breeds. You never know which and to make it worse these ‘breeders’ have little to no health testing for generations to even have a clue what they are breeding into the pups.
Some of the pups are adorable and all dogs deserve a good home but to bred them is appalling.
The difference between MUTTS of yesteryear and hybrids of today is the PAPER REGISTRY. Many people have no clue that the registry means nothing and that any dog that looks like a breed can be ‘registered’ on the written word of a ‘friend’ who says the dog ‘looks full blood’ and submitting a couple of photos. They get a suprise when they eventually breed and a throw back to an unrelated breed shows up.
Even breeding of 2 f1 hybrids seldom produce a litter of replicas of mom and dad or of either grandparent.
If the dogs basic body structure are different you have made an even bigger mistake, mis-proportion leads to hip/joint/back/neck problems to name a few. If the dogs are similar they likely carry many of the same genetic problems.
Any hype of this sort is purely garbage started by byb as a marketing ploy to sell more dogs. They are clearly playing on the ignorance of JQP….and the fact that a high percentage of these dogs are bought as “impulse” buys. To say that “they are very popular and rising well ahead of purebred dogs” is clearly targeted at those that see dogs as a “thing of the moment”, those that must “stay ahead of the Joneses” , so to speak.
As far as the crap of breeding two different dogs to produce a great new breed: again, playing on the ignorance of JQP, and in some instances flat out LYING and saying they ARE a new breed….these bybs put used car salesmen to shame in what they will spew off to justify their practices.
Again, here is HOW a breed becomes RECONGNIZED by AKC….from the AKC website:
The AKC only considers adding new breeds to the FSS® or its registry upon request. The breed must be recognized by an acceptable foreign or domestic registry.
The FSS® is not open to “rare” breeds that are a variation of an AKC-registrable breed or the result of a combination of two AKC-recognized breeds. This includes and is not limited to differences such as size (over and under), coat type, coat colors, and coat colors and/or types that are disqualifications from Conformation Events by AKC breed standards.
When breeding two different breeds, with different genetics, structure, etc, you get the WORST of both breeds. It may not be visible at birth, or 8 wks, or even a year or two of age, but WHY chance it?
Why are these fools continually breeding mutts?
It’s a SIMPLE answer: because JQP is uneducated enough to keep throwing money at them and encouraging them to breed more!
How do we hope to slow it down? By continuing to educate about the purebred dog and responsible breeding and ownership and the importance of buying a mix from a shelter(instead of a byb) if that’s what someone wants.
Oh, the BEST way to stop the bybs: STOP GIVING THEM FREAKING MONEY!
It’s totally a crap shoot, and the odds aren’t favorable when you take two breeds with similar problems and think “the problems will go away!”
They are popular, but I don’t know why – possibly to be a part of the “next big thing.”
I have nothing against mixed breeds…just people who want to intentionally breed them and put a fancy, cutesy name on them to make people think they are worth lots of $ and then sell them for lots of $…sometimes more than what a pure bred would cost. I have had discussions with people (who aren’t dog people) and they don’t understand my reasoning of it. They think that putting two differnt breeds together can make a better dog…a dog with less health problems and a dog that has the best of both breeds. Most of the designer breeds I see fit a certain look…I sometimes I wonder what they do with the ones that don’t? I see a lot of Labordoodles around where I live and they all look the same..they are big boned, and curly, moppy hair. I know that when breeding two different breeds, you are not going to get the same look….but I havn’t seen a labordoodle that looks more like a lab. Do these designer breeders give these away as mixed breeds? Cull them? I’m curious…because when you put two differnt breeds together, you are not going to get a a litter of puppies who all look the same. I also wonder if they are actually getting the best of both breeds like they think they will. I hear many people say mixed breeds are healthier…well if you put two unhealthy pure breds together or two dogs together who are not genetically sound (I’m sure these designer breeders are not doing genetic testing) what do you think you are going to get? A genetically unhealthy designer breed. I think right now…all of the designer breeds we are seeing are too young to show any problems right now….but just wait…..there will be problems and pretty soon everyone will be critisizing these designer breeds and they will not be the “dog to get” in a few years!
OK, this is real funny. You all know that the GSD is my breed. Well, a friend of mine’s MIL has a field bred beagle girl, and a mini dachshund boy. You know what happened! The pups are actually kind of cute. 5 males, there is one dilute color male, reminds me of a liver color with very light green eyes. I looked around and found that they actually made a name for this cross!!! People are calling this mix a Doxle!!! SOB, I think that it is just nuts. There are no accidental breedings period. If someone has a girl in heat and know of intact boys around, they should be bright enough to know to keep the girl put up while in heat!
I agree with you.
Take your average pug… cute dog, big eye susceptible to injury, personable, not overly active, with some breathing issues.
Now take your average beagle… cute dog, very active, bred to run all day chasing rabbits, big voice
Breed the them together hoping to get a cute dog, with fewer eye and breathing problems, not overly active and quiet.
You have every bit as much chance of getting a cute dog who runs all day baying, but has eye injuries, and falls over dead from breathing issues that couldn’t be coped with due to his temperament. …. lovely.. just the dog you want the kids to fall in love with.
Edit: CRS you are absolutely right…not only are they mixing breeds.. but they are mixing bottom of the barrel for each breed.
The only thing different about the designer dogs of today and the same cross breeds of yester-year is…..Today there are people breeding these same crosses and selling them for an outrageous amount of money.
When our kids were small we had the sweetest little cock a poo. We paid a whole $40 for it when I purchased my 2 colts. That same dog today would be over $350.
By cross breeding yes, you may get some of the good traits, but in saying that, you may get some of the bad traits also. No matter if cross or purebred you will still get both good and bad traits.
And why do you say that a crossbred will be one miserable pup? Crossbreds are some of the most WONDERFUL LOVABLE, HAPPY dogs in the world.
If people choose to own crossbreeds over purebreds or purebreds over crossbreeds that should be their rights. Who are we to tell them it is wrong to own a crossbred pup or dog? No breed of dog is better then another even is it is a cross breed.
What matters is that they can responsibly take care of their pets.
EDIT: I do agree, if people are going to be breeding these pups, at least have homes lined up for them. No pup should be on cement like that. They should at least have a soft grassy place to run and play, snuggle or what ever their little hearts desire..
I think its a big steamy pile of doggy doo-doo.
Those dogs are MUTTS.
On the other hand, mtts are usually the smartest and best dogs ever……but I think care should be taken while breeding, to ensure only the smart ones of either breed are chosen.
Cross-breeding also wipes out the inbreeding genetic issus–hip dysplasia, deafness, bladder problems & the like.
It’s their marketing scam. Breeding two breeds together = you don’t know what you will get because there’re no standards for these mixed breed dogs. There’s no new breed being created. It’s ashamed for these greedy people to say something like that. The general public should be educated about buying dogs because a lot of people are still gullible.
The scammers always look for another way to market their crap. The word Hybrid is used incorrectly to make a MUTT sound better. What kind of creep would call a mutt a hybrid. One who is looking to make a profit off dummies I suppose? Real parasite on society.
Wouldn’t probability say that sometimes you get the best of both sometimes you get the worst of both and sometimes you get a mix of good and bad from both?
I would say that mostly you would get the bad, simply because people don’t take purebred champions (the best of the best, with health issues etc bred out) and breed them to make mutts. there is no consistency.
first of all it isnt designer hybrids. these dogs r mixed breed mutts. and honeslty i dont believe it. people think that they will surpass the purebred dogs but the truth is there may be a lot of people stupid enough to fall for the whole thing but there r also a lot of people who see past the whole thing. and i dont believe that load of crap. genetics is a crap shoot. sometimes u get a healthier dog because there might be less of a chance of them inheriting disease from both parents but the thing is u cant tell whether or not they will shed, or what size they will be. its not the way it works. u never know when ur breeding two different breeds and people that claim that they know r blowing smoke up ur @$$
I think it’s appalling what some of these greeders put together and try to sell for profit. I’ve heard a few, hmm, come to think of it, the byb with that cement pen for the dogs, that say “I love my dogs and am offering them for less money so people can afford them.” There are several litters a year in that home and I assure you there is NO monitoring of the breeding that goes on. 4 females and 1 male so they know who sired of course… and that’s the ONLY reason they know.
I’m sure some of those nice cars I saw in that bybs driveway were thanx to the money brought in by those many litters a year. I did the math, they’re making a profit, without a doubt.
Then there’s the part about how they had that really sick puppy and said there was NO vet open on Saturday nite. But the truth is that there is a 24 hour emergency vet in a larger town that’s only a 30 minute drive for them. But did they shell out the bucks for that… nope, sure didn’t.
You know, if someone were breeding “designers” but actually doing everything else on the up and up, like starting with good foundation stock, getting the testing done properly (beyond “the vet says they are healthy”, which we know is NOT enuf), and they actually took full life time reponsibility for the pups they put out, I could at least tolerate it. But the fact is that the one that lives by me, who frequents these boards is just pumping them out for the cash and nothing more. She “loves” her money making breeding machines and nothing more.
Nah all those things they say are part of the big con. They’ll never take over purebred dogs.. People will realize that these so called ‘ breeders ‘ are just trying to take them for their money and are offering an inferior dog.
It’s no different than any other scam out there.. Huge claims, unsubstantiated claims, and offering people something that they think they need, making mixed breed dogs sound like they are far better than all other dogs out there.
What they forget when they are claiming that purebreds are over bred, inbred, and unhealthy.. is that they themselves are starting out with 2 supposed purebred dogs.. Bred together to create what they claim is superior.. If their claim that all purebreds are over bred and inbred.. WHY would they use such supposed garbage to create their supposed wonderful and supposed better breed of dog?? If purebreds are garbage.. How can 2 different breeds then produce anything but mixed breed garbage?? Their logic makes no sense..
When you figure they are buying the worst and the cheapest and the most badly bred dogs of the breeds they use and using them to create their little monsters.. There is no way they can even accidently produce something that even compares to a well bred purebred dog from quality dogs.. They start with crap they get crap..
It’s a huge scam!
Marketing crap, sign of the times. Saying that, it’s not these dogs fault, and they can be great companion for the right person.
People suck, not dogs.
I have a 14 yo cocker basset mix. She’s awesome. She was a gift from my ex husband when I lost my first lab. Of course I didn’t want her initially because she wasn’t a lab. Then she gave me the cocker eyes… I melted.
So I’ve have this dog for 14 years. The entire time I’ve had her everyone that has met her has asked what she is. I’ve always thought this dog should be a breed. This was, of course prior to this Designer crap got started. She looks like a black and white cocker but stretched like a basset and a long tail. She’s a good looking dog.
Now, if I were to find out someone “created” a Frankenstein breed like her and started selling them I’d be heartbroken. The thought of 100′s of Darcy’s dying in shelters because they weren’t what someone expected makes me physically ill.
I’d like to think this mix was an accident and I got really a wonderful gift from my ex.
The odd thing about her – she’s REALLY healthy. 14 and you’d think she was 5. All sassy and bossy. She’s a pistol. But she’s a TRUE mutt. Not a Frankenstein dog.
I’ll start by saying i love my mutts. but to pay a ‘breeder’ is crazy. these dogs that are crossed use to be free to 50 bucks. and thats all i would pay if it was a OOOPPS litter. even then i would rather go to the shelter. I have heard time and time again that they get rid of the pups easy so why get her fixed…(rolles eyes)
99% of these crossed pups parnets had no tests…50 bucks if the puppies where taken to the vet.
I have seen some the dogs that are crossed have problems from both breeds.
unknowledgedable people don’t help the problem. they get all p*ssy when u tell the its a mutt….the AKC will never see this as a breed..
all pet shops selling dogs or cats should be shut down. i think that will help some who walk in see cute and buy…only for the pup to be at the shelter when the cuteness wears off.